BEAUTIFUL DECADE
interview
Elein Fleiss / Jon Moritsugu
A BIT OF GODARD BUT WITHOUT THE SHIT, A BIT OF JOHN WATERS
BUT WITHOUT THE DUMBNESS, A BIT OF WARHOL BUT WITHOUT THE LAMENESS, ETC. TO ME,
IT IS A MOST PERFECT SUMMARY OF WHAT IS AMERICA (SICK, MUSIC, CAPITALISM, BLONDE
TEENAGER GIRL WITHOUT PIMPLES BUT AFRAID TO BE PREGNANT).
ELEIN FLEISS: COULD WE COMPARE YOUR MOVIES TO AN X-RAY OF THE AMERICAN SICK
SOCIETY? VIOLENCE, CRIME, STUPIDITY, DEATH...
JON MORITSUGU: YES. BUT AN X-RAY WILL ONLY SHOW YOU SOME BROKEN BONES, MAYBE
SOME DAMAGED ORGANS OR MUSCLES, NOT MUCH MORE. MY MOVIES ARE MUCH MORE
“HOLISTIC” - NOT ONLY DO YOU SEE THE BROKEN BONES BUT ALSO THE PARANOIA, MENTAL
DECAY, PSYCHOSIS, AND DEMENTIA OF THE AMERICAN SICK SOCIETY. MY MOVIES ARE AN
X-RAY COMBINED WITH AN IN-DEPTH PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAMINATION.
DO YOU SEE AMERICAN SOCIETY AS A BIG SELF-DESTRUCTING MESS?
YES. BUT THE DECAY CAN BE BEAUTIFUL TOO.
ARE YOU TOTALLY NIHILISTIC OR IS THERE A LOCUS OF REDEMPTION OR OPTIMISM IN YOUR
MIND? ARE WE FOR EVER A “DEGENERATION”?
IF I WAS A TOTAL NIHILIST I WOULDN’T MAKE MOVIES... I WOULD BE A JUNKIE OR INVOLVED IN
THE FASHION INDUSTRY... MOVIES ARE STILL ONE OF THE THINGS INTO WHICH I CAN PUT MY
TIME AND ENERGY AND FEEL IT IS ALL WORTHWHILE. HOWEVER, THE “MOVIE SCENE”
IS LATELY BEGINNING TO RESEMBLE A SIXTH-GRADE PLAYGROUND, SO I AM PLANNING MY
ESCAPE.
DO YOU TRY TO SHOW AN AESTHETIC OF THE CHAOS?
EXACTLY! TOO MANY FILMS LOOK LIKE THEY WERE MADE BY A CIVIL ENGINEER OR
MATHEMATICIAN... TOO MUCH ORDER, NEATNESS, COLD PRECISION (GREENAWAY,
HITCHCOCK, EISENSTEIN, ETC. )... I LIKE THINGS THAT ARE FUCKED-UP AND MESSY... THE
ANTITHESIS TO AN AUTOMOBILE COMMERCIAL THAT YOU SEE ON TELEVISION.
DO YOU SEE INTELLECTUALS AS RIDICULOUS, UNNECESSARY, FUNNY PEOPLE?
NO, INTELLECTUALS ARE RIDICULOUS, NECESSARY, FUNNY PEOPLE.
WHEN I SAW YOUR LAST FILM “TERMINAL USA”, I IMMEDIATELY THOUGHT OF JOHN WATERS,
HOW DO YOU SEE YOURSELF COMPARED TO HIM?
JOHN WATERS...WHO IS THAT?
WHO IS YOUR FAVORITE FILM MAKER?
I WOULD BE STUPID NOT TO SAY ME. OBVIOUSLY, PEOPLE WILL ACCUSE ME OF BEING AN
EGOIST... BUT MY MOVIES ARE THE MOST INTERESTING TO ME... IF THIS WAS NOT THE CASE
I WOULD BE A FILM HISTORIAN OR CRITIC, RIGHT?
IT SEEMS THAT A FEW ELEMENTS OF YOUR FILMS ARE AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL. DOES YOUR FAMILY
LOOK LIKE THE ONE IN TERMINAL USA?
YES... MY FAMILY DEFINITELY HAS A LOT IN COMMON WITH THE FUCKED-UP FAMILY IN
TERMINAL USA. OF COURSE, THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE “FINAL CATASTROPHE”
HAS NOT YET HAPPENED TO MY FAMILY, AND MY WIFE AMY HAS NOT YET EXPOSED HER
TRUE ALIEN IDENTITY. BUT I ANXIOUSLY AWAIT THESE EVENTS...
DO YOU SEE YOURSELF AS SOMEONE BETWEEN KAZUMI THE JUNKIE AND MARVIN THE
TORTURED GENIUS?
I DON’T KNOW... PART-JUNKIE, PART-TORTURED GENIUS DOESN’T SEEM LIKE A COMFORTABLE
PLACE TO BE... BUT CERTAINLY A GOOD PLACE TO MAKE ART.
MUSIC SEEMS TO BE AN IMPORTANT PART OF YOUR FILMS, HOW DO WORK WITH IT?
I LIKE... MOSTLY “UNDERGROUND” STUFF I CREATE... WITH TERMINAL USA, I HAD A LARGE
BUDGET SO I WAS ABLE TO USE MUSIC I HAD ONLY DREAMED ABOUT USING, WHICH WAS
FUN, BUT ALSO DEPRESSING... FOR INSTANCE, I OBTAINED THE RIGHTS TO A COUPLE SONGS
BY THE BIRTHDAY PARTY. THE SAD PART IS THAT THE GROUP NO LONGER OWNS THE
RIGHTS TO THEIR OWN MUSIC -A HUGE “PUBLISHING COMPANY” IN NYC OWNS THESE
RIGHTS, SO MY PRODUCER, ANDREA AND I ENDED UP PAYING THIS COMPANY A LOT OF
MONEY FOR THE MUSIC, KNOWING FULL WELL THAT THE BIRTHDAY PARTY HAD NO
CONTROL OVER THEIR VERY OWN MUSIC... IN FACT, THE PUBLISHING COMPANY AT FIRST
DIDN’T EVEN KNOW WHO THE BIRTHDAY PARTY WAS. I GUESS IT JUST GOES TO SHOW
THAT YOU REALLY HAVE TO PROTECT YOUR MUSIC OR YOUR ART BECAUSE IT CAN EASILY CHANGE
HANDS / OWNERSHIP LIKE A USED CAR.
EVOLUTION OF YOUR CINEMATOGRAPHIC WORK?
EVOLUTION OF MY CINEMATOGRAPHIC WORK : BIGGER AND BIGGER BUDGETS, MORE AND
MORE COMPLICATIONS AND PROBLEMS, THE “WORK” SLOWLY SLIDING DOWNHILL, ETC. I AM
TRYING TO REVERSE THIS EVOLUTION AND MY FIRST VOW IS TO NEVER AGAIN MAKE A MOVIE
WITH A BUDGET AS BIG AS TERMINAL USA.
YOUR VISION OF THE YEARS 2000?
THE YEAR 2000... EVERYONE WILL HAVE A ROBOT MAID, PILLS INSTEAD OF MEALS, TIME
TRAVEL, ETC. NO, NO, IN AMERICA, I SEE THINGS GETTING A LITTLE WORSE, MUCH MORE
VIOLENT, “CULTURE” ONE STEP CLOSER TO SHIT BUT PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT STUPIDER AND MORE
AGGRESSIVE.
IN YOUR FILMS WE FEEL THAT ART IS NOT ONLY USELESS, BUT THAT IT DOES NOT EVEN EXIST...
IN HIPPY PORN, ONE OF THE CHARACTERS SAYS "FUCK ART", DO YOU TAKE IT AS AN IRONICAL
PUNK STATEMENT?
“ FUCK ART” IS HOW WE SHOULD ALL LIVE OUR LIVES! “FUCK ART” IS HOW I TRY TO LIVE MY
LIFE. BUT SINCE I “MAKE ART”, AM I CONTRADICTING MYSELF? NO... IT IS LIKE BEING
ATTRACTED TO THAT WHICH REPULSES YOU- THE FASCINATION OF HIGHWAY ACCIDENTS, THE
STRANGE MUSK FRESH SHIT, THE UPPER CLASS... IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO
“MAKE ART” THAT CRIES OUT “FUCK ART!”
AMY DAVIS, THE MAIN CHARACTER IN YOUR LATEST FILM TERMINAL USA, IS A FASHION
PHOTOGRAPHER AS WELL, DOES HER WORK INFLUENCE IN SOME WAYS YOUR AESTHETIC? DO
YOU WORK OFTEN WITH HER?
NOT ONLY DO I WORK OFTEN WITH HER, I ALSO LIVE WITH HER! ACTUALLY, AMY HAS EXPOSED
ME TO THE FASHION INDUSTRY (VIA HER PHOTOGRAPHY), WHICH HAS BEEN QUITE SHOCKING.
BASICALLY, THE DECADENCE/MONEY/EGOISM IN FASHION IS ONE-THOUSAND TIMES
GREATER THAN IN THE MOVIES (HOLLYWOOD)... PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT
THE DECADENCE IN ROCK-N-ROLL OR THE FILM INDUSTRY - THEY’RE WRONG - FASHION IS THE
WORST! OR THE BEST! OBVIOUSLY, I AM TRYING TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS TWISTED
“SCENE.”
Filmography
1986 Mommy Mommy Where’s my Brain 10 mn
1987 Little Debbie, Snack-Whore of NYC 3 mn
1987 Braindead 1 mn
1987 Der Elvis 23 mn
1988 Sleazy Rider 23 mn
1989 My Degeneration 72 mn
1991 Hippy Porn
(collaboration with Jacques Boyreau) 95 mn
1993 Terminal USA 57 mn
1994 Mod Fuck Explosion 70 mn
